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Denying Hitler's role in the Holocaust
Historian David Irving, Holocaust historian Christopher Browning,
British judge Charles Gray
and barrister Richard Rampton
On day seventeen of the
Irving vs. Penguin & Lipstadt trial at the High Court in London,
American Holocaust historian and defence expert Christopher Browning
spent his second day in the witnesses box. During cross-examination by
Irving, Browning stated that denying Hitler ordered the Holocaust is not
a form of Holocaust denial, and Lipstadt's barrister quickly stepped up
to clarify that they (Lipstadt's legal team) did not consider denying
Hitler instigated the Holocaust to be Holocaust denial.
BROWNING: In
so far as the issue of the Hitler order, Mommsen and Broszat have
argued for a long time, as you [David Irving] have, they do not
think that Hitler gave an explicit or formal order.
IRVING: It
would be a grave injustice to call either of those two
professors Holocaust deniers, would it not?
BROWNING: Yes. The
argument over whether Hitler gave an order or not is not
commonly part of the issue of Holocaust denial.
IRVING: Thank
you very much for saying that. Hans Mommsen, would you identify
him? Is he a Professor at the Royal university in Bochum?
BROWNING: Yes,
he was. He is retired.
IRVING: A
very eminent historian, is that correct?
BROWNING: Yes.
IRVING: Very
well. I hope your Lordship pardons me for having made that
little excursion?
JUSTICE GRAY: Yes. You
picked up the answer that Professor Browning gave about whether
denying Hitler's having given an order was an aspect of
Holocaust denial, but I do not think the Defendants really say
that it is.
RAMPTON: We do not.
JUSTICE GRAY: I
was checking your summary of case.
RAMPTON: The
Hitler exculpation, exoneration, apology part of the case has
nothing to do with Holocaust denial at all. They may have a
similar motive at the end of the day but that is completely
different. We have focused on Hitler's exoneration to prove what
we call distorted history.
JUSTICE GRAY: Yes. I
think what you do say is that it is part of Holocaust denial to
deny that there was a systematic programme.
RAMPTON: Yes.
JUSTICE GRAY: That is
not the same as denying that it was Hitler who instigated that
programme.
RAMPTON: That is
right. It is number 3, no systematic programme of
exterminating Europe's Jews, whether on the part of Hitler or
the Nazi leadership.
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